Rules No. 22

Re: Rules No. 22

I would say if you go with points for turning up then we would not need a penalty as well just give each clan who turn up a point say but then that does not reflect matches played ??

Happy shooting - Kill em ALL and kill em again

Cheers

Heatsinkbod

&nb

Wed, 07/04/2012 - 20:21

#4

Re: Rules No. 22

Hi Jon
Can see what you mean, but clan war then played a another time?

Maybe you can give the clan who came +1 and the clan who did not get -2? it will mess things up?

so the difference will be 3 between the two clans, and the game should not be played, you have a loser and a winner

Wed, 07/04/2012 - 21:21

#5

Re: Rules No. 22

Hi all

Interesting debate - My opinion rule 22 clashes with rule 4. I would keep it simple and penalise the clan via 2 forms for failing to be professional in their duties - 1. Dock them -3 points (loss) an the other clan for the fact they have wasted time and putting off other commitments - +3 (win). Therefore match doesnt need to be reorganised an the losing clan therefore might want to get there backsides in gear an make sure they play their next game. Secondly go through warnings with the clan that failed to play - 1st verbal, if happens again - written, finally admin vote on whether clan can stay.

Rule 20 - Definately agree - maybe since mega arent able to play have a mega member being the referee, but i would definately have one to help with disputes that might arise.

Some extra ideas for rules - to start the match - have a bash - winning team picks side they wanna start an then auto for 2nd map.

Also other idea - players have in there tag names aaaa league/team/member when playing? - might make it more professional?

What do you think??

cheers

Carl

Thu, 07/05/2012 - 12:50

#6

Re: Rules No. 22

Yeh rule 4 needs re wording - for rule 20 that was prior to MOHAAC but was left in just incase one clan were not happy with another clan and suspected foul play then a ref could be arranged.............

I have no problem with the bash and is fun to get the match started but it also delays the start of the match - their is no problem with both clans saying they would like to do a bash if their is time............

I dont want the rules to end up like war and peace but at the time they need to be in place to stop any arguments

So a suggested revised rule 22 from input above could be -:

If a League match is arranged and one of the clans cancel's on the night NOT giving at least 1 day's notice before the match they need to cancel then the cancelling clan will receive a -3 point penalty.
Any Clan getting 2 lots of penalty points (-6 so cancelling 2 matches against the same clan) will have that match awarded to the other clan and that match would not be played again.
Any clan receiving more than 9 penalty points will be reviewed by the other clan admins to decide if that clan should remain in the League.

For Rule 4

4.The Min number of players for a match should be 6 players - If it is less then both clans would need to agree but the clan with more players is not expected to have to drop players.

Something on the lines of above ?

Happy shooting - Kill em ALL and kill em again

Cheers

Heatsinkbod

&nb

Thu, 07/05/2012 - 13:18

#7

castro

Re: Rules No. 22

I am an avid reader of the AAAA forums. Although I am not a participant in the Clans league activities, I still maintain an interest in the future of Mohaa. Reading the posts concerning some of the in-house problems regarding the rulings, I find that the changes made could be nullified if the league start and finish times was more in line with members seasonal domestic commitments. I would assume taking out the summer period out of the equation could be the first step to more player availability.

Summertime brings longer days, holidays and various other activities that keep players are away from their computers. Would it not be better to have the league start and finish period starting from October and finishing April/ May?? which would give six or seven months of more player availability, Winter Autumn Spring could be more appropriate than spreading the activities over the summer period.

Just a thought!!!.

Thu, 07/05/2012 - 14:22

#8

Re: Rules No. 22

I'm with Battleaxe aka Carl about rules no. 22 We have talk about in our clan +3 to the clan who came, and -3 to the clan who did not come, and the game will then not be played

This with bash sounds like a good idea, I've played with in a different league, and it is great fun, and it takes maybe 5 minutes, you know in advance what team you want to play, and the first map

Thu, 07/05/2012 - 15:00

#9

Re: Rules No. 22

castro wrote:

I am an avid reader of the AAAA forums. Although I am not a participant in the Clans league activities, I still maintain an interest in the future of Mohaa. Reading the posts concerning some of the in-house problems regarding the rulings, I find that the changes made could be nullified if the league start and finish times was more in line with members seasonal domestic commitments. I would assume taking out the summer period out of the equation could be the first step to more player availability.

Summertime brings longer days, holidays and various other activities that keep players are away from their computers. Would it not be better to have the league start and finish period starting from October and finishing April/ May?? which would give six or seven months of more player availability, Winter Autumn Spring could be more appropriate than spreading the activities over the summer period.

Just a thought!!!.

Hi Nobby your views and thoughts are always welcome - as your an avid reader IU am thinking of adding a subsciption charge lol.........

Yeh good point - one thing I would say though we are already the longest running league because we are flexible - I am happy if its just ticking over as you can see my own clan busted at present so its great point.........

I think the main issue here though is clans booking matches and then not turning up - It happens but I am aware of a few matches where clans have booked and not turned up multiple times so its not so much about keeping the matches rolling more a case of clans letting other clans down (((

Happy shooting - Kill em ALL and kill em again

Cheers

Heatsinkbod

&nb

Thu, 07/05/2012 - 15:16

#10

Re: Rules No. 22

Number4 wrote:

I'm with Battleaxe aka Carl about rules no. 22 We have talk about in our clan +3 to the clan who came, and -3 to the clan who did not come, and the game will then not be played

This with bash sounds like a good idea, I've played with in a different league, and it is great fun, and it takes maybe 5 minutes, you know in advance what team you want to play, and the first map

Ok this suggestion does seem more popular over my last effort - I was trying to avoid adding points as I was trying to keep the points reflected on matches played to maintain the spirit of the game if you know what I mean but at the same time punnish the offending clan........

So I think this is covered now -:

So a suggested revised rule 22 from input above could be -:

22.If a League match is arranged and one of the clans cancel's on the night NOT giving at least 1 day's notice before the match they need to cancel then the cancelling clan will receive a -3 point penalty.
Any Clan getting 2 lots of penalty points (-6 so cancelling 2 matches against the same clan) will have that match awarded to the other clan and that match would not be played again.
Any clan receiving more than 9 penalty points will be reviewed by the other clan admins to decide if that clan should remain in the League.

For Rule 4

4.The Min number of players for a match should be 6 players - If it is less then both clans would need to agree but the clan with more players is not expected to have to drop players.

BUT under rule 21

21 If a clan leaves the League before completing all matches played and unplayed matches will be removed from League scores. This will result in as if they were never in the League so all points removed for all their matches effecting both played and unplayed matches.

Here is one of my issue's - on rule 21 -
21 If a clan leaves the League before completing all matches played and unplayed matches will be removed from League scores. This will result in as if they were never in the League so all points removed for all their matches effecting both played and unplayed matches.

This was put in place so that if a clan call them clanA left then the points must be removed because clanB may have played them and won or the clanA failed to play and ClanB gained 3 points, BUT clan C and D never got chance to play them so Clan B end up with an advantage 3 points and Clan C and D think well we never got the chance so it screws it up so I would say this would need to remain inplace so Clan B would still have 3 points removed when ClanA leaves..............

SKY has approached me over this they would like to run a fly on the wall documentary as it would be more intersting than some of the other shite they broadcast

Happy shooting - Kill em ALL and kill em again

Cheers

Heatsinkbod

&nb

Thu, 07/05/2012 - 18:02

#11

Re: Rules No. 22

Hi Jon

Sorry Jon, I am not with you more on this here Rules No 22 not quite understand what you mean, sorry for it, but it's probably because I'm Danish

If you have time one day, we can meet on TS ?

Thu, 07/05/2012 - 18:16

#12

Re: Rules No. 22

Rule 22 - I can see where you are coming from Jon regarding aiming to keep points to reflect the actual matches that ARE played and NOT those that are cancelled.

However, your modified rule i think is better in punishing the clan that did not turn up, but I still feel sympathy for the clan that did take the time and trouble to turn up and then be told the phrase of 'sorry guys...MAYBE next time.' This would anger many players who have given up their time with work, family etc and not be rewarded with anything, and if it continues then people might stop wanting to take part.

Secondly at the end of the day - it was a MATCH that was arranged. If the team on the day doesnt turn up or cancels on the day of the match - for me this is a forfeit and as it was organised as a league match an not a friendly then points should be awarded as the team that has turned up must be given something so at least when they turn their machines off or go to play on public, at least they would feel complacent that they did their bit.

Eg - im a teacher - if all i did was punish bad kids an never rewarded good kids (until at a later stage) then in the end all kids become bad as they dont see the point in trying.

My 2 pence worth on this but like i said i can see your argument Jon, im just not sure how clans would feel on the days that these cancellations happen. Will the clan that did the right thing believe they have been fairly treated or punished in having to re-arrange something when they havent done anything wrong in the 1st place.

Cheers

Carl

Thu, 07/05/2012 - 18:21

#13

Re: Rules No. 22

Yes I see your point also Carl mmmm but as I have put it now -:

22.If a League match is arranged and one of the clans cancel's on the night NOT giving at least 1 day's notice before the match they need to cancel then the cancelling clan will receive a -3 point penalty.
Any Clan getting 2 lots of penalty points (-6 so cancelling 2 matches against the same clan) will have that match awarded to the other clan and that match would not be played again.
Any clan receiving more than 9 penalty points will be reviewed by the other clan admins to decide if that clan should remain in the League.

I think I have scoped in what you and a few others have suggested but I have allowed one failing before the other clan is awarded........

We can get all the others to ponder their thought's on the different versions and perhaps take a vote - and have a chat on TS we will find a solution we are not miles apart and all after the same thing clean fair League )) - I have just try'd to keep the matches reflecting match scores but fully appreciate the need for what you are saying - I was hoping the fact I had allowed one failing but still punishing the failing clan then awarded the turning up clan on the second offence would have won you over )))

Happy shooting - Kill em ALL and kill em again

Cheers

Heatsinkbod

&nb

Thu, 07/05/2012 - 18:47

#14

Re: Rules No. 22

Hi Jon. If people are happy with it then ok but for me that is a lack of consistentcy in both punishment an reward here and you can then have all sorts of arguments when 2nd time it might happen as clans might try an argue the 1st time wasnt a match it was a friendly, cant remember was too long ago etc.

For me issues need to be dealt with there an then an not left over - clans might argue and not want to or be bothered to reorganise a re-match, particularly the innocent clan that feels aggrieved, and finally after punishing a clan by giving them -3, they would then want to take their frustration out on the clan they are reorganising the replay with and again more possible abuse / disputes.

Overall - id be happy with the majority decision and agree that things must be done to promote fairness and equality for all!

Fri, 07/06/2012 - 11:54

#15

Re: Rules No. 22

Number4 wrote:

Hi Jon

Sorry Jon, I am not with you more on this here Rules No 22 not quite understand what you mean, sorry for it, but it's probably because I'm Danish

If you have time one day, we can meet on TS ?

Hi yeh will catch up for a chat

As it stands since I updated it -:

22.If a League match is arranged and one of the clans cancel's on the night NOT giving at least 1 day's notice before the match they need to cancel then the cancelling clan will receive a -3 point penalty.
Any Clan getting 2 lots of penalty points (-6 so cancelling 2 matches against the same clan) will have that match awarded to the other clan (+3 points) and that match would not be played again.
Any clan receiving more than 9 penalty points will be reviewed by the other clan admins to decide if that clan should remain in the League.

So Its scoped to what a few of you are after with the +3 points to the clan let down the only difference is you only get the +3 points on the second offence from the same clan - my thoughts on this was to allow one balls up by a clan - but on the second offence its +3 points to the clan let down and -3 to the offending clan

Happy shooting - Kill em ALL and kill em again

Cheers

Heatsinkbod

&nb

Fri, 07/06/2012 - 14:47

#16

Re: Rules No. 22

Hi Jon

Thanks for the update on the rules Nr. 22

Believe I am with you now, what you think.

I think like in football, two teams meet, the team which did not come to battle loses it, and is then not replayed.
Team who came +3 points and win 3-0. the team who did not come 0 points.
If the team who did not come, had to pull out of the league, pull points and score out again, as they have never been there

But let's just hold us until you have made and see what happens,
because now there's something happened to the hole that was in the rules

Good work Jon keep it up

Sat, 07/07/2012 - 11:56

#17

RAZER

Re: Rules No. 22

Well here is my tuppence worth:

one penny
+
one penny

that makes 2 pence............................hahahahahaha

Simple as this, you arrange a match and the other team doesnt turn up, then you get the match points ie: 3 points win, 1 for draw,

A clan leaves, then all points are deducted from games played.

Good Debate though, but I think servers and gametype and maps need to be sorted first.........ie NO SPAWN PROTECTION ON SERVER 5.....!!!!!!!!!!!

Sat, 07/07/2012 - 14:34

#18

Re: Rules No. 22

Cheers Kenny - thought I fixed Server 5 last week will check it later - For our next debate we will be discussing The GOD Particle

Happy shooting - Kill em ALL and kill em again

Cheers

Heatsinkbod

&nb

Sat, 07/07/2012 - 16:43

#19

Re: Rules No. 22

Just checked server 5 and it has the spawnprotect mod same as the other servers Kenny

Happy shooting - Kill em ALL and kill em again

Cheers

Heatsinkbod

&nb

Tue, 07/10/2012 - 15:53

#20

Re: Rules No. 22

New Poll regarding this -:

Option 1 -: 22.If a League match is arranged and one of the clans cancel's on the night NOT giving at least 1 day's notice before the match they need to cancel then the cancelling clan will receive a -3 point penalty.
Any Clan getting 2 lots of penalty points (-6 so cancelling 2 matches against the same clan) will have that match awarded to the other clan and that match would not be played again.
Any clan receiving more than 9 penalty points will be reviewed by the other clan admins to decide if that clan should remain in the League.

Option 2 -: 22.If a League match is arranged and one of the clans cancel's on the night NOT giving at least 1 day's notice before the match they need to cancel then the cancelling clan will receive a -3 point penalty and the clan they should have played will be awarded 3 points and the match will not be played again.

Any clan receiving more than 9 penalty points will be reviewed by the other clan admins to decide if that clan should remain in the League.

Hopefully I have covered the debate above - If not when you vote please post reply giving Option as other option and post your worded rule here as reply.

I would like to thank all of you for your very constructive input to this and the fact that it was a debate not an argument and if you feel I have missed read your input please do create your own worded rule it will be considered.

The current rules are here on the forums -: http://www.mohaaaa.co.uk/AAAAMOHAA/content/aaaa-league-rules-2012-season-3 and on the League page -: http://109.70.148.37/AAAA/kml/index.php?l=1&s=1&mod=content&view=rules

I would like to thank all the existing League clans and other clans who have input to this I am not in charge you all are and its been very rewarding seeing some great idea's from you all to keep this League friendly and clean and FAIR !!!

The poll is here -: http://www.mohaaaa.co.uk/AAAAMOHAA/content/aaaa-rules-amendment-penalty-award-points-debate-httpwwwmohaaaacoukaaaamohaacontentrules-no-

Happy shooting - Kill em ALL and kill em again

Cheers

Heatsinkbod

&nb

Tue, 07/10/2012 - 20:11

#21

Medalist

Re: Rules No. 22

I did not read all of the discussion on this, just the conclusion and poll options, so maybe my POV did not get it to the poll....
I like to keep things a bit simpler and straightforward.
In lot of sport events and competitions, when one of the teams fails to show up the other team is rewarded the points it would receive as if they won the game.
This means: +3 for the team that turned up and zero for the team that failed to show.

Wed, 07/11/2012 - 18:16

#22